Oh My Achy Body

January 21, 2017

Discover the surprising the connection between food and body aches and pains. Find relief naturally by adjusting your diet.

Don't settle for aches and pains without first taking a look at what you're eating. We're making the case for more natural, and permanent, care for your achy body. Listen in!  

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Transcript

DAR: Welcome to Dishing Up Nutrition. I'm Darlene Kvist, licensed nutritionist and Certified Nutrition Specialist and host of today's show. Dishing Up Nutrition is brought to you by Nutritional Weight & Wellness, a company providing life changing nutrition education and life changing nutrition counseling in a variety of settings to a variety of people. It can take place in our office or in yours or in your corporate training room or your manufacturing plant, in your school, or even in your living room. Not Bad. So, it can be for you, your child, your family, your friends, your coworkers, or whoever you would like. So, at Nutritional Weight & Wellness, we believe nutrition, the food you put in your mouth, is a key to your health. That's probably a new concept for most people to think about. Generally, eating good food produces good health and eating poor quality food and junk food produces poor health. You know, I bet you're wondering, “What are they going to talk about today?” And maybe you're even saying to yourself after 12 years and over 600 shows, these ladies, they must be running out of topics. What are they going to talk about? No need to worry, because today we have an excellent topic, a great co-host, and a fantastic guest. So, let's start with a topic: Natural pain relief through real food. I'm not saying take more fish oil for pain relief and I'm not saying buy this or that supplement for pain relief. I'm saying natural pain relief through real food. So, joining me today as our cohost is Britni Thomas, who is a licensed dietitian. And Britni, you help a lot of people get out of pain with just eating real food, right?

BRITNI: Absolutely. Good morning. So, I know at first, clients look at us and they do not believe that eating the wrong foods for their body can produce pain. Or, when they stop eating those troublesome foods, they’ll actually have less pain.

DAR: It's a big concept. I know most of our listeners realize, especially if they’ve been a listener for a while, that sugar is a pain producer, which is true. Although this last week I had a client who had pain in her mouth whenever she ate cherries. And she had lots of pain in her stomach after she ate fresh or cooked tomatoes. And whenever she ate chili, which, you know, most people consider chili to be a really good food, she had stomach pains all night long. So, we know that not one plan fits all people. So, as nutritionists we really have to dig deep with people in order to get the information we need to personalize a plan to help. And that's so true, isn't it? We have to ask lots of questions and just sit back and let them tell us.

BRITNI: Yeah, I know people are wondering, “Why is she asking me that?” But, there's a reason for it. Removing those pain-producing foods and eating those energy-enhancing foods might take a lot of appointments with your nutritionist. I wish when I met with somebody I knew right away what was going to work for them, but it's a little bit of trial and error, seeing what works, what doesn't work, what else can we try?

DAR: It's not like a vaccination.

BRITNI: It takes time, but as nutritionists, we were really, really excited when some of the major insurance companies decided to cover certain policies, nutritional counseling appointments with a licensed nutritionist or dietician. So, if you're interested in making an appointment for a nutrition consultation, we have seven locations throughout the metro and those of you who don't live in Minnesota, we definitely do phone or skype appointments as well.

DAR:  But, usually those are not covered by insurance. There’s something about you to have to be in person. That's the problem.

BRITNI: Yeah. But you could still make an appointment without insurance. So, if you want to check out the insurance options and see if yours might get covered, please visit our website or you can call 651-699-3438 to get more information.

DAR: We really are happy to answer any question you might have. You know, we really understand people who have experienced chronic pain for years. Usually they have more financial issues. Maybe they've missed work, had to go to doctor's appointments. Lots of times treatments are not covered by their health insurance. So, nutritional therapy, if covered by your health insurance, is really a very nice perk for people.

BRITNI: It is. I have clients that I see every week or every other week because they're able to get this covered. It's just great for them. But let's go deeper into our discussion today about those pain-producing foods.

DAR: So, listeners, are you saying to yourself, “Well, I'm not going to stop eating my ice cream to have fewer migraines.” Or maybe you're saying to your coworker, “I don't believe my knee will hurt less if I quit eating bread.” After you listen to Madelyn’s story about her back pain, you'll be convinced that food can either be pain-producing or energy-enhancing. So, you have to ask yourself, “What do you want?”

BRITNI: Well, it's my pleasure to introduce to you today, Madelyn Bader, who literally got rid of all of her back pain when she eliminated her pain-producing foods from her diet. So, we’re turning the mic over to you, so please share a little bit of your backstory with us.

MADELINE: Good morning everybody, and I've told my story before, but I'm sure not everybody has heard it. Goodness knows I tell it often enough. So, I've had back spasms for over 30 years. They started out where I’d have them on occasion and they’d last for a little while and then the older I got, the more they lasted, the longer they lasted until it got to the point where they did not go away at all. And I had been to see an acupuncturist, chiropractors, physical therapists, massage therapists, none of that had worked. And then when I saw a pain specialist, yet another one, they wanted to do a spinal implant. And all I ever wanted was for someone to tell me what was wrong and how am I going to fix this? That's all I wanted. Thirty years of going to the doctors, they had no idea what was causing the pain. I've had several of them telling me it was in my head. I knew that wasn't the case. And I didn't like the idea of having this implant put in to trick my brain that I wasn't having the pain, because then I would still have to carry a remote around with me and, I don't know about you guys, but I can lose the TV remote pretty easy. Didn’t wanna lose the remote to that! And then I'd have to lay down once a week to recharge this thing that they had been implanted in me. And to me that didn't sound like a better option at all. Well, I've been listening to Dishing Up Nutrition since it had been on the air. So, I thought that's the only thing I hadn't tried. So, what have I got to lose? So, I made an appointment at Nutritional Weight & Wellness and came right in.

DAR: Wow, that's great. So, I kind of remember, this has been a few years ago now, Madelyn. I know my memory isn't as good as it used to be, but I kind of remember this first appointment with you. So, I remember you were willing to give up some foods that I just knew were causing you inflammation. As you said in the past, really no pain pills, no massage, no chiropractic adjustments, no exercise, no treatments, nothing had really worked. So, you were kinda in desperation, right?

MADELINE: Absolutely in desperation. Some things had worked for a short amount of time, but nothing fixed it permanently. And that's really what I was looking for.

DAR:  So, you really were easy. You agreed to give up pain-producing foods. Do you remember the foods that I asked you to stop eating?

MADELINE:  I do. You looked at me and you said that sugar is a pain-producer so you need to quit eating sugar for the next six weeks. And I thought, “Well, OK, I can do that.” Then you said you wanted me to give up gluten and grain or gluten grains, and I thought, “Well, OK, I can do that. I'll just get some gluten free bread and some gluten-free crackers.” Then you said no. For me, all grains were not good for my body. Even rice was pain producing, so I couldn't have the gluten free oatmeal or any gluten free grains because for me it's all pain producing.

DAR: So, Madeline, I think that’s a good, interesting point that even rice is pain-producing for your body and that's a new concept.

MADELINE:  There's rice in a lot of things and even sometimes if you take a look at the tea these days, there's rice in tea because they use it to keep all the other ingredients dry and separated so they don't clump together. So, I really have to read all my ingredients.

DAR:  Because you have a very sensitive system. And we have a lot of people walking around out there that have very sensitive systems. You are unique, but not totally unique.

BRITNI:  Before we get more into Madeline's story, let's take our first break. You are listening to Dishing Up Nutrition. When we started Dishing Up Nutrition, our goal was very simple. We wanted to educate people all over the United States and all over the world, which we have done. So, we really wanted to educate everybody about the amazing health benefits of eating real, good, delicious food. Everyone deserves to eat good food that is going to feed your brain and your body. We'll be right back.

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DAR:  Well, welcome back to Dishing Up Nutrition. If you're approaching perimenopause or menopause or even if you're in post-menopause, I invite you to take our Menopause Survival Seminar. You'll also be served a delicious organics chicken salad for lunch and some tasty snacks. If you have questions about hot flashes, mood swings, low libido, vaginal dryness, hormone replacement therapy, osteoporosis, we have the answers. I think I've covered them all. And we've got a couple other ones that we don't mention on live radio. I promise you'll be glad that you came because we will be answering all of your questions and will provide you with the information that you really need to get through menopause with a smile. So, should we go back to our topic?

BRITNI: Yes, we should. So, before the break we were talking about that first appointment that you two had and the foods that Dar had asked you to remove. So, she asked you to remove sugar, grains, rice, and then I bet she asked her to remove dairy as well, didn't she?

MADELINE:  Oh yeah, she did. And my first thought, “Well, there goes pizza. Now what am I going to do?” And then what about my husband, who by the way, has been my best supporter through all of this. But I knew I had to give it a try because I had to get rid of my terrible back pain and if it meant giving up certain foods, I was willing to do it. And my husband, wonderful man that he is, supported me 100%. Let me tell you, when you've got pain, it doesn't just affect you, it affects the people around you, as well. Certainly, he wanted me out of the pain as much as I wanted myself out of the pain.

DAR:One of the things I remember I told you was to start eating breakfast with meat, vegetables, butter or olive oil. And I knew that Madelyn needed anti-inflammatory foods to reduce her pain. So, gone were the dairy, gone was the sugar, gone were the grains because they’re very inflammatory for you and also for a lot of other people. But I increased your meat and fish protein, and I've got you eating lots and lots of vegetables. I suggested just a couple of supplements. One was magnesium. We had to get rid of those muscle spasms and a lot of times muscle spasms come from lack of magnesium. And then also, I think there was another, L-Glutamine. L-Glutamine is an amino acid and it helps to heal the intestinal tract and that's something that you needed for sure. And then I said, “Well, OK, I'll see you in three weeks.”

MADELINE: On my way home, I thought, “Well, what's going to happen now?”

DAR:  You didn't have any resistance to doing it. You were going to do this because you were desperate.

MADELINE:  Well, it sounded a lot better to me giving up certain foods than having surgery. That sounded much, much easier. But you know, that's an interesting concept, isn't it? Cause I know some people that would rather go in for surgery than give up a certain food, which to me just makes no sense. Food is delicious and it still is for me. I just see it differently. After seeing you, those three weeks, I started to reduce my pain medication. I started to notice that with reduction of the pain medication I had less back pain. All of that was great, but you know what, I still had to come back because I still needed your help.

DAR: OK. So, in what ways did you find that you needed help?

MADELINE:   On just how to tweak everything else. It's absolutely a change. And as I remember one of the first things you said to me was when you told me to eat more protein, so my husband and I said, “Well, OK, we’ll load up the grill with chicken.” And I was eating chicken for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and I was getting very sick of chicken and that was one of the questions I had for you. And you said, “Well, just fill up the grill with different meats.” And that's what we do all the time now. So, if we're making steak for dinner, we’ll also throw on some hamburgers and some chicken breasts. And so I have a variety of meats to eat through the week. Especially for those times when I don't have time to cook. It’s in the fridge or the freezer and it's ready to go.

DAR: In fact, this morning, because I didn't want to do anything that might cause me not to be able to talk as well this morning. You know, sometimes you get congestion and things like that. So, I found that I just had a leftover hamburger patty, cold and with some vegetables and a little bit of fat and then I was good to go.

MADELINE:  It sounds pretty similar to mine. Leftover steak this morning and some vegetables and a half a cup of sweet potato with some butter on it.

BRITNI: It's a great start to the day. And I think that variety, like Madeline was talking about, is key cause you can't eat the same thing all the time. You get really bored. And we need variety just for our body. A variety of nutrients. So, at this point, it had been a few weeks, we were finally seeing the light at the end of the end of the tunnel.

MADELINE:  Well, I could see the light. All the changes, I have to say, were not easy. It was a lot easier than having all the back pain all the time.

DAR:  And at that point, I remember saying, “OK, I know that we missed some of the pain producing foods for you, not for everyone.” So, then we had to go the next level to get to those.

MADELINE: So, you told me that I had to quit eating eggs, which is a really simple, easy, go-to protein. Wasn't real happy about that one, but I have to say when I gave up the egg, I noticed a difference in my body within two days of that one. And I'll have to admit that since then I've tried eggs several times thinking, “Well, maybe Dar was wrong. Silly me. That's not gonna happen.” So, I would eat eggs and not just a bite. I would fix two eggs and within an hour my joints would start to ache.

DAR: I know we've tried that many times because eggs are really a convenient food.

MADELINE:  Yes. But I did find out that I can eat duck eggs, which are expensive, so I don't eat them all the time, but it’s a nice replacement.

DAR:  If people are listening, a lot of the co-ops today, like Mississippi market and different places around town, carry duck eggs.

MADELINE:  I actually went out to that farm where they sell the duck eggs. It was the first place I bought them and then it's just easier now to buy them here in the cities. I'm so glad they sell them here.

One of the other big problems that I had that we figured out though was all corn. Corn on the cob, corn chips, corn Tortillas, and then, you know, when I gave up the foods that my body doesn't like, my back pain is gone. I mean gone, no more pain. And on top of all of that I wound up losing 30 pounds in the process without even really thinking about. It's absolutely wonderful. You get to buy new clothes and the nicest part was I lost those 30 pounds without even exercising. So, you can't really exercise when you've got back problems, but once you start to lose that weight, boy, that exercise just makes it go even better.

BRITNI: So, a couple of summers ago you had a bit of a relapse and that pain came rushing back. What happened?

MADELINE: Well, that was when I was eating the sweet corn. So, we have a farmer down the road from us that grows absolutely delicious sweet corn and he's got a stand and it's literally a half a block from her house. So, we would just go down there on a regular basis and I would buy a half a dozen easily and we'd eat it that night. So, would eat at least three ears of corn. That’s a lot of corn. That’s a lot of sugar. And it wasn't a nightly thing, but it was pretty close to a nightly thing and that's what we figured out. So we know that one ear equals about a half a cup. So, I was at a cup and a half at least if I stopped at three ears.

DAR: And even if you just had that half a cup, my guess is your back would go into spasms.

MADELINE: I’ll still eat the corn once in a great while, but it's a real treat. Maybe once in the summertime just to remember what it tastes like. But I won't have it more than that because I know what it'll do.

DAR:  But I don't think that that's an issue for a lot of people. A lot of people is that stuff that comes in bags, you know, those corn chips and the tortillas. So, it's in a lot of other foods. High fructose corn syrup is made from corn, so people are getting it in many different ways and they don't realize that it often produces pain for them.

BRITNI:  So, I think it's time for another break. You are listening to Dishing Up Nutrition.

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MADELINE: Welcome back to Dishing Up Nutrition.

BRITNI:  So, we're talking about all of those pain-producing foods that you had to eliminate. Dairy, grains, sugar, eggs. I know a lot of our listeners are wondering, “What does she do? How does she do this?”

MADELINE:  You know, there's still a lot of awesome foods that you can eat even when Dar tells you that you can't have certain foods. I love to cook, I love to eat, and I love good food. I have lots of fun with coconut flour and almond flour and for Christmas this year I tried a new recipe. My husband's side of the family always does lasagna and that, as we know, has noodles in it. So, I made three trays. Two for them with the noodles in it, but homemade sauce so that it would be as good as I could make it. And then for mine, I made a full tray, had no idea how this was going to turn out, but I made the homemade sauce. And then instead of using noodles, I layered nitrate-free Deli chicken in place of the noodles.

DAR: That sounds better than zucchini.

MADELINE: Yeah. I tried the zucchini and I tried the eggplant. Neither one of those were very good, but the chicken was actually pretty tasty. And then since I can't do dairy, I used a mozzarella milk. Mozzarella made from almond milk and I wound up making my own ricotta because I couldn't find anything out of cashew milk, which really didn't take that long. It just takes some cooking preparation. You have to add some agar to it to thicken it up. And then I used my duck egg when that was all set up, mixed that in with some basil and some oregano and spread that out. And when I served it, again, I had no idea because I kind of made this one up. Everybody absolutely loved it. And they said if you wouldn't have told us that there was chicken in it, we wouldn't have been able to tell the difference. It was absolutely delicious, if I do say so myself.

BRINTI: That is wonderful. I've done sweet potato instead of noodles in lasagna.

DAR:  That sounds awesome. So, besides cooking, Madeline, you really do have to cook because you can’t go to a restaurant and find these foods.

MADELINE: And it helps if you like leftovers.

DAR:  It does. It helps if you like food, too.

MADELINE:  Yeah, well most people do like food, but the problem is I think most people like the processed food because it's so much easier. But, here's what I always think. It's not easier if it's creating you any kind of pain. And I think a lot of time people don't even realize the pains that they have in their body, how they're associated with the food.

DAR:So, do you have any special kind of advice as you've kind of gone through this process? This has been a process of how many years now?

MADELINE:  I've lost count. Six, seven, eight. It's been awhile.

DAR:   And it isn't just a couple of months and it worked for a couple of months.

MADELINE: No, this is a lifelong plan. So, as long as I keep on eating healthy all the time, I don't have the back pains. I still will get a back spasm on occasion when I wind up eating foods that I'm not supposed to and I'm not always sure how they wind up getting there. Sometimes they can be a matter of when we go out to dinner sometimes it's a matter of not realizing that there was rice in something that I was using. And you have to really be a detective and I really need to check everything that I'm eating. And the recipes or the ingredients on items can change. So, just because I've been eating something for a while, you still have to check it on a regular basis because they'll change it up.

DAR: The ingredients are constantly changing. Even supplement manufacturers. So, Madeline, one of the things that I remember you telling me. I think you had to miss your daughter's graduation.

MADELINE: Yep. It was my daughter's graduation. I wasn't able to attend that because I had one of these really severe back spasms.

DAR: It was before you started the eating plan, correct?

MADELINE: Well before I started the eating plan. I told everybody to go on ahead and I remember I had to call up a good neighbor friend of ours because the pain pills were not working. If the pain has already started, the pain pills don't work so well, and the pain was excruciating. He had to take me to the hospital where I had to get a shot of morphine. And then you're completely dysfunctional. You can't function at all once you've had a shot of morphine. I missed out on a lot of things.

DAR: So, for listeners, if you have a lot of pain, what would you recommend? While the first thing I would recommend is that so many come in to Nutritional Weight & Wellness and see a nutritionist because you're never going to be able to figure this stuff out on your own. I would have been struggling for I don't know how long trying to figure out what my sensitivities were and it's just so much easier when you see somebody to help you work you through it. And it's interesting how, as we have worked with people, I mean, most of the people on staff now have worked with people. Britni, how long have you been working now? Two and a half years. So, you really have that sense when you look at people. Oh, I can tell that that person is grain sensitive. You just know. And we start there, maybe. But you can really tell. I mean, sometimes getting into these little things that people are sensitive to like cherries and things like that. That's a little more difficult. But the big ones where we can get people out of pain pretty quickly, you know, or reasonably so. We can do that.

BRITNI: And I mean even within three weeks you were at least feeling better. That is amazing.

MADELINE:  I remember after initially eating this way, after just the first two days I used to get up out of bed and walk like I was eighty because everything hurt. And I was just looking for relief from my back pain. That wasn't even part of what I was looking at. My husband would always say, “What are you going to look like when you're eighty?” Getting up and walking out of bed for the first time and after two days I was able to get up and my joints didn’t ache. That's just within two days of giving up some of the foods that my body didn't like. My body. Everybody's different.

BRITNI:  Definitely. And we know that about 50 percent of the adult population experiences body aches and pains. Fifty percent if not more. And it’s affecting young people, too. You have rheumatoid arthritis, ankylosing spondylitis, inflammatory bowel disease, MS, ALS, Alzheimer's, Scleroderma, Vasculitis, mascular dystrophy, painful bladder syndrome, or any of these other countless autoimmune conditions.

DAR: So, today we thought we might throw a little science your way about autoimmune diseases. You may be dealing with an auto immune condition and you're feeling pretty awful today. You may think you've tried everything, but you really haven't tried nutrition yet.

MADELINE: When I think about food nutrition, I say to myself, “Oh yeah, well I had to give up certain foods like the eggs, the oatmeal for breakfast,” but I still get to eat really delicious food. I can have a Bacon Burger with guacamole and a side of sweet potato. I just don't have the bun with it. And some butter, a slice of tomato, and it's absolutely delicious. And the best thing is those are foods that don't give me back pain.

DAR: So, you had to give up the oatmeal and the eggs.

MADELINE:  Well, the chicken eggs. I still eat duck eggs on occasion.

BRITNI:  Well, and I think that way of looking at it is really important. Here's all of the foods that I can still have.

MADELINE: I try not to look at what I can't have, I try to look at what can I eat and how can I fix it and there's still a lot of meals, my husband was really missing stir fry and he likes his over rice, which we know I can't have. So, I do the cauliflower where it's cut up small to look like rice and really, I can't tell the difference and I'm getting even more vegetables in that way.

DAR: We often talk on a show about a restaurant called Sassy Spoon and she makes cauliflower rice and it's delicious.

MADELINE:  I've made it several different ways with the stir fry and I've made it with saffron. It’s absolutely delicious and easy. This is only hard if you make it hard, but it does take time.

BRITNI: Time and planning. And perhaps some of you who are listening today were healthy at one point, but somewhere along the way something happened to your immune system. Many of you listeners know that an autoimmune condition or autoimmune disease means that your immune system gets confused, so instead of fighting off a bacteria or viral infection, it creates a lot of inflammation in your body and it starts to attack your own tissue rather than the infection because your body is confused.

DAR:  Yes, so before we go into that a little bit, let's take another quick break.  You’re listening to Dishing Up Nutrition. I’m Darlene Kvist, licensed nutritionist, and I'm here with my co-host, Britni Thomas and special guet, Madelyn Bader, who stopped her back pain by eating real foods that didn't create inflammation in her body and pain in her back. You know, some people think pain pills will stop the pain, but Madelyn, you really let us know that it doesn't stop the pain. And usually they don't have very good success long term and it causes lots of other problems. And other people think an adjustment or an acupuncture treatment will stop the pain. To me, maybe a little bit, it’s usually really short lived. How many of you as listeners can truly appreciate how getting rid of pain-producing foods can eliminate pain long-term like Madelyn has. So, she's found this to be true by eliminating those foods. It's seven or eight years now. It's a whole new way of thinking about pain relief, and even better, it's a pain preventer. And we've got to prevent pain from ever getting started. That would've been great, wouldn’t it?

MADELINE: That would've been awesome, but I’ve learned a lot through all of this.

DAR: That's right. So, we'll be back in a minute.

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MADELINE: Welcome back to Dishing Up Nutrition. When I stepped into Dar’s office about seven years ago, I had no idea what to expect. I thought that, well, I didn't think that you were going to put me on a low fat diet because I'd been listening to this radio show since it's been on the air. Didn't think it was going to be a starvation diet, but she said that I needed more fat. The healthy fats, olive oil, butter, coconut oil, Avocados, and that I needed to eat more meat and fish. I like that idea. An anti-inflammatory diet is not a low-fat starvation diet. Let me say that again. An anti-inflammatory diet is not a low-fat starvation diet. It's a plan to heal the tissues and to rebalance your immune system. I wasn't worried about the cost of the appointments. Only $265 for a two-hour appointment. I wasn't sure how food was going to matter, but I learned that food really did matter. So, if you're someone experience experiencing pain, I would strongly suggest that you call 651-699-3438 and make an appointment.

DAR: So, before we went on break, we were talking about inflammation and how it affects your health. So, inflammation in your joints may be called rheumatoid arthritis. And we had a lot of people with rheumatoid arthritis.

MADELINE:   Yup. And your back inflammation could be ankylosis spondylitis. My brother has the gene for it and has issues because of it. And because of that, I had myself tested and found out that I also have the gene for it. Although the doctor said that chances of it acting up in a woman are less than a man, but it could still affect me.

DAR: OK, so you do have that genetic predisposition for all this back pain that you have. But food has a powerful influence. Inflammation in your Myelin sheath, that’s that cover that goes around your nerves, and sometimes that's called MS.

BRITNI: And your intestinal tract. We see a lot in our clients. It’s called inflammatory bowel disease, which is Crohn's or colitis.

DAR: Yeah. And there are many different auto immune diseases. Names that you just can't even imagine. But common ones are Lupus, fibromyalgia, type one diabetes, which was kind of new. All of these are affecting so many people today. At this point in time, modern medicine really has not yet found the magic pill that will turn off inflammation. They're working hard on it. They're searching to find one that will. But until they do, autoimmune diseases in the last 20 years have increased dramatically. And so, if you're looking for a way to support your immune system and to kind of slow down or shut down that inflammation, our recommendation is look to food. And you may find food is your best anti-inflammatory drug that there is. You found that.

MADELINE: Yeah. And it doesn't have any side effects. That’s the best part.

DAR: So, again, I'm sure this is a new concept for most people, but not for people that are listening to Dishing Up Nutrition or take our classes or follow us on Facebook because removing the inflammatory foods may not be the absolute whole answer to your pain and inflammation. But, it is amazing. It's the foundation. And if you're as fortunate as Madelyn was, has been, it could be a really key answer for you.

MADELINE: Eating that food is so much easier than having to make appointments with the doctor all the time. Going to see the chiropractor. And I'm in charge of it. When I'm cooking, I know exactly what's going into my food. And, like I said before, I love to cook and I like challenges and this has been a challenge and I've tried to meet it head on and it's changed my life. And who thinks that food, simple food, would make such a big difference?

DAR:So, I think people don't even realize how active Madelyn is. Madeline has a full-time job, which is quite physical I believe. And then she also teaches Nutrition 4 Weight Loss classes for Nutritional Weight & Wellness once or twice or three times a week.

MADELINE:Teaching the classes is one of my favorite things to do. And I live an hour away. I live in Wisconsin.

DAR: And you still have time to cook and have a relationship with your husband.

MADELINE:Yep. It’s a matter of planning and trying to figure everything out. You have to plan. It's not going to just happen. You have to figure out, “What am I going to cook this week? What am I going to eat this week?” And lately I've been finding that if I make my breakfast on my day off and I put them in the freezer and if I wind up with more than what I need for that week, I just date everything. It's really important to date everything so you know when you put it in there. And that way I've always got something in the freezer and it's a complete meal. It's like my own little homemade TV dinner only it's healthy. It's not a list of ingredients on the back that's like 50 or 60 long.

DAR: So, I'm gonna put this out to you, Madelyn, and I don't know if this is OK, but I think if people have a lot of pain and inflammation in their body and they're really curious, if they would call our office at 651-699-3438, and leave a message for you.

MADELINE:  I’d be more than happy to talk to them. When I had my article in the paper that one time, I had people in the town that I live in actually say, “She's from Star Prairie,” so, they sought me out and found my phone number and called me up and yeah, I'm always happy to talk about nutrition. But when they started asking, “What do I have to do?” That's when I tell them they have to come see somebody at Nutritional Weight & Wellness.

DAR: Yes, because not everyone has to be off of eggs.

MADELINE:  Right, exactly. And you don't want to give up eggs if that's not what you need to do. Why would you want to give up something that you don't have to?

DAR: That's right. So, I know that Britni, you said that we had a caller before that had some questions about food and anxiety and I know that was last week’s show that we talked about that. So that's an easy one. I think eating five times a day in balance.

BRITNI: Yep. And those healthy fats help immensely for anxiety.

DAR: So, you know, our goal at Nutritional Weight & Wellness is to help each and every person experience better health through eating real food. It's a simple, but yet powerful message. Eating real food is life changing and it's been life changing for Madeline. Thank you for listening.